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Lisa Andradez's avatar

Personally, I like Instapoetry because it is relatable, down to earth and not at all snobby or pretentious. Substack can be the opposite sometimes and it feels like the only way to be accepted as a poet on here is to be published, to have some 'experience' in the poetry world or to be a famous poet, maybe that's just me, but I am slowly getting more and more tired with Substack and the need to 'perform' to be seen, understood and accepted in an ever increasing field, it wasn't like that when I joined, but I am finding myself getting bored trying to fit in... maybe I just need a lie down, but I found your article interesting, thanks for sharing 🤎

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Hi Nelly

I just made myself slow down to read your discussion of this extremely interesting topic.

The fact that I had to make myself “slow down” to read something of that (actually quite modest) length was a reminder to me that Substack and the rest of the online world can get out of hand and relentless, driving us faster and faster to read more and more examples of shorter and shorter content.

The result - constant partial attention and a shallowing out of genuine engagement.

However, at least with Substack - as you say - longer content is encouraged, and the discipline to read it and to think deeply about it rests with the reader. Myself - I am balancing Substack with in depth reading of actual “Books” (for those who remember what books are), just to make sure I don’t lose the capability for sustained concentration and attention…..

Look, basically I agree with everything you say. My perspective on this is perhaps unusual though.

I have written Poetry and short prose all my life, but only in my mid 30’s did I start to feel that I had found my “voice” and that I had work I wanted to share, though getting any of it published was - at least at first - extremely hard. It didn’t help that I was living in a remote area of Central Australia (Alice Springs) and that the Internet was really still in its infancy. (Mid 1990’s).

My poem “My Big Break” is a sardonic account of that: https://davidkirkby.substack.com/p/my-big-break

Eventually, by the early noughties, I had won two (Australian) national poetry awards and a couple of regional gongs as well, and my work was being accepted in literary journals and even a national newspaper. A small boutique poetry press published a small collection of my work. So - publishing success, of sorts.

But the mainstream trad world of poetry publishing was unsatisfying, and the “networking” required felt …. Well. I was not comfortable with it.

So I kept writing but I went “dark.” I stopped publishing and I dropped out of sight for 22 years. I just wrote for myself, and for my wonderful partner.

Then - 6 months ago - my partner discovered Substack and said “Look at this!”

I did just that, and I could see a Poetry community which was reasonably diverse, highly creative, and - mostly - sincere. So I set up my own Substack and started publishing my work - a mix of my previously published back catalogue from long ago, plus other work from my “fuck off I only write for my partner” phase, and brand new work too - some of it published the day it was written.

6 months in, my impressions are:

I had not expected, and I do truly enjoy, the dialogue with other writers, and with people who are mainly readers.

I had not fully understood how beneficial it would be for my own creativity to be back in contact with other Poets, and reading such a wide range of work on a daily basis. My own creativity and productivity has definitely increased as a result.

The numbers game: I see people really “working the room” - but that’s fine. I can engage or not - my choice. Would I love for one of MY poems to go “viral”? Of course! Whoopee! But I’m not holding my breath.

Yep - there is some Poetry here (probably a lot) that just isn’t my thing. If pushed, and inebriated, I might be a bit negative about some of it. But hey - compared to mainstream media - Substack is a Rainforest. I’m happy to wander through the jungle and pick fruit that is right for me.

Will there be a rush of people from other Platforms - as per your essay? I dunno. I’m happy to take your word for it. I never plunged into Insta and I loathed Twitter (even before the Fascist takeover) - so I haven’t seen what was there. But if they come? I agree with you - more water in the tank, more writing, more diversity. Great!

I am loving it here - but I am worried about “Platform Death.” How long will Substack survive, and what will happen if the owners turn Musk or sell to a Musk or a Zuckerberg?

For now - I think it’s a great place for Poetry. I have mixed feelings about mainstream publishing and the trad Poetry “Gatekeepers” - but now that I’m warmed up I’m having a go at that again too, because I accept that self publishing on Substack does run the very real risk of self indulgence, self congratulation and self deception.

Again though - everyone can choose. I choose to be here. I choose to try and mix it with other publishing and 3rd party scrutiny, but everyone can do it their way.

As you wisely say - that’s how Poetry develops.

Is there a Substack sub-genre of Poetry? Not sure - but I am loving the creativity and joy of mixing my Poetry with my photography, and sometimes with my partner’s art work. I’m also enjoying mixing Poetry with prose. My posts on Substack look less and less like a trad poetry collection, and more and more like a mixed media meditation on the themes that engage me. I used to believe the mantra that “a good poem should stand alone” - but I’m walking away from that - fast.

Thanks for the great thought provoking essay, Nelly.

Best wishes from Australia

Dave :)

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